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Princeton Kentucky

Have any of you seen a yellow "baby"field pumpkin? I've got a female that started green but has turned yellow on a field pumpkin scion grafted to an AG rootstock. Is this normal because I do know it is impossible for the AG traits to be passed thru to the female...or am I wrong and or evolution has took a left turn in the plant world? Heres a pic I just posted. Thanks for any feed back, Honestly I can't wait for this thing to grow out a bit! Joseph
http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=194418

3/1/2013 6:07:38 PM

Western NY

that vine and leaves really don't look like a field pkn.

Are you sure something didn't get goofed up there?

3/1/2013 7:39:46 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

I agree with Andy the stem looks Maxima. I have grown a variety of start yellow Field Pumpkins

3/1/2013 8:27:05 PM

Princeton Kentucky

When I laid everything out during the grafting process I made double sure that all the FP's were to my left and the AG's were to the right..cut the rootstocks tossed the AG scion in a pot to go to the compost pile and drew the FP scions again from the left, made the two cuts and did the grafts in that motion...with that said you know as well as I do that anything can happen but I feel with my set up I had laid out nothing was mixed up because like I said all the AG scions went into a larg pot on the floor so I'm sure I would not have grabed from there for a scion...way too far of a reach before realizing I would have been going for the wrong thing...thats the theory behind the throwing the AG scions away. My other grafts have the same exact same looking vines..They were the Fat Boys that are Pepo's...I'll whatch it anyway and double check thee other grafts got a couple of them opening up too..Its possible I mixed one up but if you really seen the way I had my set up it would have been very hard to have done it..almost would have made myself purposely do it and that wasn't my goal, lol. Thanks for the input ya'll I'll really look close into the possiability I might have done that..but they all look the same.

3/1/2013 9:05:32 PM

Princeton Kentucky

Linus I also seen some Pepo's earlier doing some searches and found some that were slightly yellow so we'll see. Meant to say also when I cut the FP scions I picked up the seed hull from that pot and shoved it on the stem of the scion I had just cut to further indicate what I had and rest assured they were field kin hulls ..I'll check out your theories on possible mix up..Thanks

3/1/2013 9:10:30 PM

Princeton Kentucky

Took a little time, went back and looked at some old pics and found that there was no mix up. That is a FP scion on an AG rootstock. Looked at mt early grafting pics and checkout this pic. This is THEE plant were talking about here. Look closely at how short the hairs are on the root stock nearly smooth and then notice the hairs on the scion..totaly different make up. That was one thing my daughter had asked my, "why were the one plants all hairy and not the others?" I know I've got an FP scion on top of this AG, will watch it and see what it does. Heres a link to the pic of this plant abought a week after it came out of the healing chamber. Again I was and still am maticulus on not mixing product scions with waste scions. Again these were the Field Pumpkins I bought right out of a field a friend of mine was growing and yes they had huge dark green square shaped stems, lol. I'm gunna call him in the morning and ask him if he recalls them being yellowish in color. Still trying to convince myself something might have gottin mixed up but in the process keep finding more reasons there was no mix up..Check out the pic and look how different the rootstock is from the scion. Thanks
http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=193571

3/1/2013 9:44:50 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

No matter what, the root stock does not change the fruit if that is what you are hinting at..It cn give you a better yield, resistance to disease but it will not change the fruit

3/1/2013 10:07:00 PM

Princeton Kentucky

Hey Linus, I wrote up top that it is impossible for the root stock to have influence on fruit chararistics; "I do know it is impossible for the AG traits to be passed thru to the female" via first entry above. I've found a few more diaries that mention yellowing small field pumpkin start fruits and even more on the net. Just didn't realize that there were FP types out there that threw them out like this. Thought all started green like squash. I never have grown this breed before so I was unaware..didn't mean to cause a stink again, lol but appreciate you guys helping me try to figure it out. The vine though is not AG even though at this stage it may appear to be. I remember in the field last year commenting to my friend how much even though these were field kins the vines were large like AG's. If it wasn't for the Large deep green squared stems I thought they would have been maximas but they are in fact pepos. I'm going to set up this plant this morning with timed lights and a vaporizor under a plastic canopy in the basement to keep it going just to see what comes of this fruit. Going to do another dozen sets of these grafts in a couple months for the season. Thanks Andy n Linus

3/2/2013 7:19:26 AM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

What variety are the FP Root Stock.

3/2/2013 8:09:06 AM

Princeton Kentucky

There are no FP rootstocks on these plants only AG rootstocks. The AG rootstocks were from some test seeds of mine from 2011, 169 lb'ers. Good for testing like this. The FP's I used for scions were from what I was told, "Fat Boy" FP's. Huge in size Linus, thats why I'm trying this grafting process to really try and put some massive weight into a Pepo. Linus another way I am positive this is a FP scion is that all my fp's were germinated in a healing chamber I built that used an egg incubator for heat source that was easily regulated, well all the FP Cot leaves were burnt because they shot up really fast in growth one day and all of the FP's had burnt marks on the cots from the exposed heat coils. You can see this in my diary photos I posted and this particular plant had the scion cot leave burnt and the AG leaf isn't burnt. The AG's I germinated were removed early because I didn't want them leggy.

3/2/2013 11:40:02 AM

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I grew what was supposed to be field pumpkins last year and some started out yellow. They ended up about 10#, orange, long skinny with a fat end. Others grew bell shaped cream color and warty, around 8#. I think the grower that sent me the seeds must have had gourds growing nearby and bees cross polinated them.Maybe that is what happened to yours.

3/3/2013 12:05:34 AM

Princeton Kentucky

Iowegian you may have something there. The place I got them from did have gourds and other things growin there. I would say the field kins were approximatey 100 yds from the gourds so infact they could have been crossed. What is that called..Not seein the forest for the trees or should I say not seein the FP's for the Gourds, lol. Thanks for the input. I posted the plant setup on my diary so we'll just watch it grow to see what if anything transpires. Bloom should open this week. I hope your wrong though,lol but you may have hit it kin center.

3/3/2013 12:03:39 PM

Colorado

Same here,a couple years back I had field pumpkins crossed with (I'm guessing) summer squash. They grew multi colored round 5 pound pumkinettes.Cant remember if the babies had any non green color.It just took one bee getting in there ahead of me.

3/3/2013 1:43:52 PM

Princeton Kentucky

Well Andy W and Linus you all may in fact be 100% correct. I just knew there was no possible way anything got turned around but this mornin the bloom looks to be opening and I gotta tell ya's....she looks more n more AG...Its getting dark green stips doun the kin but...we'll see. Maybe some one can hold my hand the next time I do grafts, lol.."Not Serious"!! But damn that graft looks great, lol. cojoe your right it only takes the one bee. Around here we also got Hummingbird Moths....Have you seen these things? All it takes is for one to fly buy and your flower is pollinated their so darn big!! Thanks all...Got any suggestions on how you all do your seperation of scions let me know..I know its not rocket science but it appears that eating glue may be to much for me, lol. I'll post pics on me diary on this kins progress just for the hey of it. Thanks again to all.

3/4/2013 8:38:09 AM

Princeton Kentucky

Not to keep beatin this post senceless but quick question..Have any of you all seen a kin bloom with small pettals coming of the back of the bloom seperatly like on this disaster of an experiment I've got going on, lol. Thanks for any feedback. I've seen alot of blooms but never any of these little pettals like this behind the bloom. This sure does look AG...BOOOO!! http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=194563

3/5/2013 7:31:34 AM

West Manchester, OH

Had a gold rush only produce yellow fruit last year. Pumpkin ended up being about 12 lbs and stayed yellow

5/17/2013 11:46:17 AM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

There is one field pumpkin that starts yellow and goes orange. It has like a 80 plant to yield period I beleive it is a bush pumpkin.

5/17/2013 1:44:44 PM