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Upa Creek, Mo

The irony of a preaching Hollywood elitist who is outspoken against gun right activists and the Republican party in general kills one and injurs another on movie set... with a loaded gun.

More celebrity BS. They speak one thing, but can't follow their own rules due to money.

I feel terrible for every one involved accept Baldwin.

10/23/2021 9:13:50 AM

Grittyville, WA

Factually, Baldwin has killed more people than the Jan 6th protesters... a cruel irony hidden amongst the leftist's layers of lies. I'm sure it wasnt intentional on Baldwins part. There may have been malice in the production crew apparently some union crew members were fired in a bad blood manner that morning? Maybe someone "forgot to tell" the new crew some critical information. It's too easy to do the wrong thing when under the perception of being treated poorly. Or maybe everyone was well-intentioned. Kind of like the January 6th protests. Good intentions, bad outcome.

10/23/2021 4:10:58 PM

Grittyville, WA

(The vast majority I should say, because the feds clearly had some hostile agenda, plus there were antifa troublemakers persuing a negative agenda.)

The theme here is, around toxic people, it's the innocent who are the ones who will get hurt.

10/23/2021 4:16:16 PM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Perhaps Baldwin's time would have been better spent understanding gun safety rather than villifying guns and their owner's rights to keep and bear arms and to protect life and property under the Second Amendment.

The number one rule of gun safety is to never assume one isn't loaded.

10/23/2021 6:09:15 PM

NILES , CALIF

I agree with you Truck Tech,he does not understand gun safety
and the respect of handling a gun

10/23/2021 8:26:55 PM

Upa Creek, Mo

Look up his exchanges with Dana Loesch on the 2nd amendment. He accuses her of walking over dead bodies. His role as Trump on SNL mocking the right shows how big of a joke the murderer is.

FN moron, celebrity killer.

10/24/2021 10:11:09 AM

Upper Strasburg, PA

The best part is all of his fans act like he is absolved of any responsibility. The hypocrisy of those people is astonishing.

10/24/2021 12:26:36 PM

Grittyville, WA

Leftists love to offer moral absolution to their own. Unike the Jabuary 6th protesters, who didnt kill anyone, then somehow you are guilty.

10/24/2021 2:19:26 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Damn, I wish I hadn’ t read this post. Director states “cold gun” prior to action. Cold gun meaning impotent, harmless. The prop master is the one at fault. Truck Tech is completely right, this is a gun safety issue. Why would a live round be in a prop or cold gun
Think what you want about Alec Baldwin and his hilarious impression of you know who, he played no part in the handling of the “prop” he was given.
Nothing close to a 2nd Amendment issue, wreaks of a lack of proper planning and execution.

You may agree or disagree with his position on 2nd Amendment rights, this was a terrible outcome due to the actions of crew who ought to have known better.

10/24/2021 10:10:31 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

BTW - Luke, Truck Tech, love your posts. Different points of view are refreshing.

10/24/2021 10:14:30 PM

Susquehanna Pa

Something fishy about this whole deal, not so sure it’s all about gun safety,

10/25/2021 9:03:46 PM

Cheshire Ma USA

Rule one- treat all guns as if they are loaded, no matter what the person handing it to you says. So called "cold" or empty guns are the biggest cause of accidental discharge, injury and death being the result.

10/27/2021 9:59:11 AM

Connecticut, USA

Now he won't give up his phone? Why is that? What is an "innocent" man have to worry about?

1/9/2022 12:30:06 PM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Hmmmm

1/9/2022 12:37:29 PM

Grittyville, WA

But I hope talking to an attorney would still be a protected privledge. Where does the defendents legal privacy get infringed?

1/9/2022 2:42:32 PM

Grittyville, WA

At some point, maybe they just tap your phone 24/7 and have cameras in your house.

1/9/2022 2:44:16 PM

Grittyville, WA

It just strikes me as random forced snooping unless there is specific probable cause.

The political right is quick to step into perilous quicksand just to tit-for-tat it with the lefties, and its not worth it.

Anyhow, in all likelihood he ought to be guilty of manslaughter and negligence. I dont care if he gets a light sentence but it will be a shame if he avoids justice entirely as has happened when certain defendants have... uh... "excessive legal options" aka money.

Sorry for the triple post, and not saying anything that anyone wants to hear!

1/9/2022 3:04:05 PM

Connecticut, USA

I think when someone is dead, giving up your phone is appropriate. Has nothing to do with tapping phones. Stop twisting it around. A crime was committed and it needs to be investigated and charges filed.

1/9/2022 4:04:31 PM

South East

That right Ken, all people involved with storming the capitol should hand over their cell phones. People where killed, its only appropriate. I like the way you think.

1/9/2022 5:27:19 PM

Connecticut, USA

Totally agree. Those ANTIFA folks should be captured and jailed.

1/9/2022 6:06:25 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

what information in the phone would be relative to this incident?

1/9/2022 7:42:03 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

unless it was a planned death

1/9/2022 7:42:32 PM

South East

Sorry Ken, more then 725 arrested and not one Antifa member! Turns out this was conservative right wing party only. Misguided "patriots" who were riled up into a frenzy by anti democratic forces within our own Government. But yet again I agree with your words, lets capture them and put them in jail. Up to and including the politicians that helped to instigate by participating in willingly lying to the public about election fraud and attempting to stage a possible coup. Lets get them to justice! Never again!

1/9/2022 8:12:14 PM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Would Hillary and Comey qualify under your criteria? Four years they pushed a known fake narrative to overturn a duly elected president. Oh wait, you're a liberal, so hypocrisy is to be expected. My bad once again.

1/9/2022 8:54:37 PM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Why don't we just move on to the virtues of the current disaster in the White House, or does that not sync with the liberal agenda of deflection rather than accomplishment? Again asking for a friend.

1/9/2022 8:56:55 PM

Grittyville, WA

Yes bnot gets the jist of it. If its not in any way pertinent then its just creepy prosecutorial overreach. And if you say "well there might be something there" well thats not how our justice system is setup. A judge is supposed have some inkling of what is on the phone that is incriminating. Probable cause.
But whatever... Im old fashioned I do think the government should give a presumption of innocence and the right to not self incriminate. In practice, that would mean: presuming there is nothing criminal on the phone, unless they do have some credible probable cause. Aka more than "there might be something, we dont know what".
Obviously there is probable cause that he killed the gal, but there is no probable cause (that I know of) that his phone was involved in the crime.

So how do you feel about voter ID issues, F&T? Its funny how both sides should want fair & accurate elections... but I'm not sure that's the case? It seems like one side in particular just wants to win, at any cost.
Fact check: no one died, except one of the protesters. The worst that happened was one cop had a fire extinguisher lobbed over him, and both sides inhaled a lot of pepper spray. One cop died later, as far as I know related to job stress and pepper spray... Not sure if anyone was actually guilty of assaulting the police with pepper spray?
Suppose they had burned congress down... then maybe we would hear the words "generally peaceful" from CNN or the New York Times, right?

1/9/2022 11:28:19 PM

Connecticut, USA

"Officials are looking to obtain messages, call logs, digital photos and videos, as well as any private messages sent on social media platforms in relation to the production of "Rust," the warrant said. It also looks to obtain any deleted videos, photos and messages on the phone that have to do with the movie."

1/10/2022 6:14:32 AM

NILES , CALIF

right now 35 plus democrats will not run for re-election they see the writing on the wall the voters had enough of the lies
and the big problems they made for our country.
As soon as the Republicans take the house this Nov,there wont be anymore talk about JAN 6 EVER AGAIN, all in jail who are charged with misdemeanor trespassing will be let go which is most of um

1/10/2022 6:19:27 AM

Grittyville, WA

@Ken Well maybe they think they can prove negligence. Or some crazy conspiracy. Idk.

1/10/2022 6:50:17 AM

South East

lol Trucktech. Hillary and Comey? The Clintons? Talk about rent free living in your head! lol Did any of them instigate hordes of people storming the capitol? Did Hillary refuse to accept election results? Was she just as disgraceful and willing to ignore and disrespect the will of the people as the Donald was? I don't think so.
I bet you want move on. That is quite the stain on whatever conservative legacy you think there is, or Trumps legacy for that matter. And the hypocrisy in how you and other conservatives try to sweep it under the rug and make it sound like " its no biggie" is gut wrenching. Turns out the biggest threat to our democracy isn't Isis, its not the Russians or the Chinese... Its conservatives and right wingers unhappy with the election results. Who woulda thought....

1/10/2022 8:09:13 AM

Grittyville, WA

I'm gonna trust whoever eats beef and doesnt drink fluoride. What a mental health debacle in this country.

Use baking soda 4 brushing teeth. :)

1/10/2022 9:04:10 AM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Frank, Democrats are desperate to keep Trump from running again. What Hillary did was destroy subpoenaed evidence and get away with it, resulting in an illegal exoneration by Comey and resulting in four years of the sham Mueller "investigation" and two fake impeachments by the Pelosi House. There's just too much to ignore.

Why don't you wow us all by extolling the virtues and accomplishments of the Brandon and Ho administration. That should pull us all over to your side and give you something to think about other than the bad orange guy.

1/10/2022 9:52:45 AM

Oak Grove, Mn

biggest threat may be change alt+247 not change

1/10/2022 6:44:37 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

that is not the wavy,undulating equal sign that i intended

1/10/2022 6:45:51 PM

South East

See that's where you are wrong. Those impeachments were real. They actually happened and lets be honest, he got off easy, because if we add up the way he tried to pressure the Ukrainian President with already allocated funds, his treasonous attempts to overturn the election sadly illustrated by his phone call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger : "“I just want to find 11,780 votes.” Topped off by the capitol riots an absolute low point in American Democracy. Lets face it TruckTech, impeachment is being handled with velvet gloves, he should have been wearing an orange jumpsuit for at least the next 25 years just for the lives that were lost because of his lies.

As for Biden accomplishments:

- The $1.9 trillion Covid relief deal.
- The $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.
- Vaccines: "490 million shots in arms...At this time
last year: less than 1% of Americans were fully
vaccinated. Today: More than 71% of American adults are
fully vaccinated."
- Getting federal judges appointed and confirmed.
- The unemployment rate fell to just 4.2 percent in
November—a 21-month low and jobless claims fell to their
lowest levels since 1969 in early December.
The economy added nearly six million jobs this year — the
most of any first-year president in history. When POTUS
took office, unemployment was 6.3%. Today it's
4.2%
- Long-term unemployed: "In President Biden’s first 10
months, long-term unemployment fell by 1.8 million — the
greatest drop in long-term unemployment in U.S. history."
- GDP: "Without the ARP, Moody’s estimates 2021 growth at
2.9%. After ARP: On pace for growth of 5-6 percent — best
since 1984."
- Schools open: When Biden took office, "46% of schools
were open. Today, 99% of schools are open."
- The AUKUS submarine deal between the U.S, U.K. and
Australi

1/10/2022 7:52:30 PM

South East

Just some of the highlights for you TruckTech. You probably haven't heard of any of them as Fox news doesn't like to toot Joe's horn. lol

1/10/2022 7:52:58 PM

NILES , CALIF

So who is really in Charge and calling the Plays for our country ? Its not Joe Biden He is not of sound mind.

1/11/2022 6:50:10 AM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Yep, CNN stuff, Frank. Those jobs weren't added, they came back, and the supply chain is a royal mess. The unemployment drop came as people had to get off the democrat teat and get back to work. Still working on that.

That submarine deal totally left out France.

The COVID relief deal was a Democrat slush fund designed to help liberal cities which allowed themselves to be destroyed in 2020 and 2021 rebuild. We're still trying to figure out where it all went and why Brandon wants more.

Inflation rampant and no way to know where or even if it will stop. Energy independence out the window now, as pipelines and union jobs are shut down at the demands of the lunatic fringe who believe that we can operate on solar and wind power alone.

Rejoining the leftist Climate Accord which does nothing more than spread the wealth of America throughout the rest of the world. China and Russia, the world's greatest polluters, won't be participating.

Signed an executive order allowing transgender males who identify as females to compete in high school women’s sports. This is currently going "swimmingly", if you get the reference.

Halts construction of the border wall.

Signs executive order providing abortion funds for foreigners.

Migrants flooding to southern border.

States at a town hall that China’s human rights abuses are based on “different cultural norms” in each country, cementing his bedroom relationship with China.

Signed an executive order providing U.S. money to fund abortions globally.

Biden signs the 1.9 trillion dollar “Covid Relief” bill, most of what is not Covid relief and much of which goes to illegals and prisoners. The Boston Bomber even got money.

Brandon imposes a media ban at the border.

1/11/2022 7:23:14 AM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

The Biden administration spends 86 million dollars for hotel rooms for illegals in April. The hotel sites, set to open in April, will offer COVID-19 testing, medical care, food services, social workers and case managers to help with travel and onward destinations.

Biden asks staffer “Who am I turning this over to?” (referring to the border crisis and Commie Harris’ appointment)

Brandon praises diversity over qualifications and competence with cabinet picks.

The Brandon administration cancels the fines for those illegals who refuse to leave the U.S.

Brandon waives ethics rules for former union bosses who work in the administration.

Notorious plagiarist Brandon falsely claims to have brokered a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas when it was actually Egypt that did.

1/11/2022 7:30:48 AM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Brandon’s wind energy projects are outsourcing jobs to Europe.

The Brandon administration and DHS deploy a mobile app to help illegals cross into the U.S.

NLPC: China Increased Donation To UPenn’s Biden Center By 400 Percent After Biden Announced 2020 Presidential Campaign.

The Brandon administration instructs whistleblowers to downplay a COVID outbreak among illegals at Fort Bliss. Migrant child coronavirus outbreak: Whistleblowers say they were told to downplay infections at Fort Bliss.

Brandon, lying again, claims to have driven an 18-wheeler.

1/11/2022 7:37:06 AM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

The White House dodges questions on why vaccinated Americans must wear masks while infected illegals are released into Texas towns.

Brandon extends COVID travel restrictions, but not for illegals.

Brandon blames Florida and Texas for the COVID surge after flooding the U.S. with over 100K untested and unquarantined illegals.

Brandon calls New York governor Andrew Cuomo the “gold standard” of leadership.

After shutting down the Keystone pipeline and destroying U.S. energy independence, the Brandon administration asks OPEC to boost production to lower U.S. gasoline prices.

Biden urges illegals to rush the southern border.

Brandon calls the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle an extraordinary success.

The Brandon FAA bans drones documenting the border crisis.

Brandon again lies and claims his 3.5T dollar economic package will cost zero dollars.

Brandon secretly flies underage illegals into New York in the dead of night.

Brandon considers a plan which pays illegals $450K.

Brandon says illegal border crossers separated from their families during the Trump administration deserve compensation.

Inflation surges to a 39-year high as consumer prices soar.

Brandon's economic ratings are worse than those of Jimmy Carter.

The Brandon administration prioritizes race when administering COVID drugs.

Yes, Frank, your boy's accomplishments are astounding all right.

1/11/2022 7:56:33 AM

South East

You like sound like Tucker Carlson. Like a conservative broken record. The same wining and cheap propaganda we hear from the right all the time. The usual conservative pet peeves: Immigration, abortion, transgenders, China.
Fox news headlines to get small town America riled up and angry. Not very original, or compelling for that matter if you pay attention that is.

Its gonna be a long long haul until 2024 for you, enjoy, lol!

1/11/2022 8:06:57 AM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

I've been keeping track since inauguration day, and they're news headlines from several sources, not including PMSDNC and CNN, for the sake of truth and not running interference.

Next year, he'll be a lame duck and the DNC will then be free to cart out their next loser. Meanwhile, the Bad Orange Man will be front and center once again, driving the left nuts.

Just one question from Trump should do it the way it did for Reagan: Are you better off today than you were four years ago?

1/11/2022 1:56:42 PM

Grittyville, WA

My state has a $9 billion surplus... Yet have any social problems been solved by the "caring" Democrats, even when their agenda is fully funded? The desire to be caring is really wonderful, but in this case I'm not seeing where its solving any problems.
Remember taking full power = taking full responsibility. You cant claim to be a victim, when you're in control...
We have long lines at the grocery store because it takes 30 seconds to ask you if you want to buy a doubly thick disposable plastic bag for 8 cents then they have to run a whole extra transaction to collect that 8 cents from you. Plus they still have touch screens to enter your payment info. Its like they want the common cold viruses to spread...
Its no wonder China is kicking our butts?

1/11/2022 2:08:45 PM

South East

Biden's story as a first year President is much like Obama's TruckTech. Obama came in office after a Republican had a really rough run and found the country in turmoil and some of deepest economic problems ever. When he came out and Trump came in, the country was in a great shape, despite 8 years of Republican obstruction. (screwing liberals over is more important then running the country) Obama had to clean up and fix his predecessors screw ups.

Trump on the other hand came in starting with a fully recovered economy and left the country in far worse shape then he found it in and it had been in decades.
4 years of scandals, corruption and national and international embarrassments. Bending over for Putin on camera, playing footsie with Kim Yung un, insulting the dead, veterans, widows, children. No week went by without a remark so classless and downlow that it would make your head spin or a new policy so un-American that all of our adversaries must have been cheering for him. On top of that he was willing to cheat his way into a second term and crap all over the constitution. If Pence would have played ball like Trump wanted to, the damage to this country would have been to great to even speculate about.
Trump might get the hearts all right wingers and "heartland" conservatives pumping faster, and you might be thinking that he's got an easy path into the White House, but the rest of nation has not forgotten about his shameless and corrupt administration.

One question for the average American should do it: Do you want 4 more years of that crazy shit again?

1/11/2022 7:19:17 PM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Brandon's gonna make it a cakewalk for Trump, Frank.

Chinagate: What business does Hunter have on Air Force Two? Oh yeah, daddy can spread influence and get Hunter's employer a sweet deal for the Chinese. Bought and paid for.

Ukraine: Brandon on videotape bragging about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired for investigating Burisma Energy, Hunter's then-current employer and one where he knew absolutely nothing about energy. Quid pro quo withholding a billion dollars of U.S. aid. Good stuff here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIehxrWP7kw

Brandon the career racist: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/23/the-top-7-racist-comments-made-by-joe-biden-over-the-years-n673531

One thing Obama DID successfully is resurrect a false illusion that racism is rampant in this country. Racism was dead until Democrats, under his tenure, learned that they could categorize EVERYTHING as racist. Now we have the liberals tying the climate change hoax to racism.

The Constitution, Frank? I'm surprised you even know what it is.

1/11/2022 8:49:23 PM

Grittyville, WA

Answer to F&T... I think Im 100% sane to say Trump was better on economic issues. Lets see where the country is after the four federal reserve rate hikes planned for 2022, lol.

How far is Bidens paper airplane going to fly with just paperclips for wings.

As Bobby Fisher said, "I don't believe in psychology. I believe in good moves."

Well raising the rates is a bad move: We already know the only thing worse than inflation is stagflation. The current government is a five year old running with a pair of scissors :(

1/11/2022 10:11:13 PM

South East

Common Joe,

You don't really believe that. If Trump runs again I highly doubt its a cake walk. Imagine the campaign ads. Slow motion footage of the capitol riots, with Trumps speech in the back ground. There's literally hours of footage and audio of Trump lying, insulting and bragging. Its a gold mine for anybody making campaign ads trying to destroy the opponent. Two impeachments and the first time in almost two centuries the capitol got stormed, Lets get that guy again, yea good idea!! LOL
No sir, American citizen are not gonna be that dumb.

And your bold claims about racism and climate change are a little cringe worthy Joe.
I think its safe to say that a white 63/64 year old diesel mechanic from South Bloomfield Ohio has no clue about the state of racism in this country, or the climate for that matter.

At least not beyond what his conservative and rightwing media sources tell him. Which kind of explains the whole Trump phenomenon. People blindly believing what they hear. If its on tv or on internet it must be true.

Don't be like that Joe. Be smart.

1/12/2022 8:23:16 AM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Unlike delusional liberals, Frank, I believe the truth. I believe what's in front of me and not someone's interpretation of it. If Jan. 6th was really an insurrection, there would have been guns. Fear the orange bad man, Frank, because your party is desperate to keep him from running.

If the impeachments were legitimate, they would have stuck. If Stormy Daniels was real, it would have stuck. If four years of the sham Mueller investigation that your beloved liberal media now recognizes as a hoax was legitimate, it would have stuck. If Flynn were guilty, it would have stuck. The list of Democrat shams goes on and on.

The Democrat party is all about lying, deflection and diversion, not substance or result. God forbid the virus goes away.

1/12/2022 10:39:44 AM

Grittyville, WA

Extreme arrogance F&T. You are the perfect example of privledged...

1/12/2022 1:32:29 PM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

The debate has been great, Frank. See you in November.

1/12/2022 2:11:03 PM

South East

Joe,

You say you believe the truth, but seeing that you support Trump and watch Fox news I think what you really mean is you'll believe anything.

Guns or no guns, what happened on January 6 was a wake up call. It shows you how brittle this republic really is and how fast we could loose it. It only takes one power hungry leader aiming to be an autocrat like Putin to subvert the American legacy of the peaceful transfer of power.
You can downplay it and make it seem like it was no big deal, but for one afternoon, the United States, the beacon of hope, peace and stability since the end of world war 2,was no different then all those third world countries it always likes to lecture on freedom and democracy.

Empires crumble, they rise and fall Joe, they have for millennia and the United State will be no different. It could have gone very different that day and and it would not have been good for this country or the world. It was a big deal.

Those impeachments were stopped by a hyper partisan senate. McConnel has chosen party over country a long long time ago. And unless it would hurt his own interests, there is nothing Trump could do he would no excuse. Guilt is irrelevant.

Stormy Daniels was payed off by Cohen. Some $130.000. That's on record and Trump didn't even deny it. I don't know why you even bother trying to act it didn't happen.

1/12/2022 7:11:55 PM

South East

Mueller investigation a sham?

The report concluded that the Russian Internet Research Agency's social media campaign supported Trump's presidential candidacy while attacking Clinton's, and Russian intelligence hacked and released damaging material from the Clinton campaign and various Democratic Party organizations. The investigation "identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign", and determined that the Trump campaign "expected it would benefit electorally" from Russian hacking efforts.
And although Barr downplayed the report like the good lapdog he was, we learned that the Donald had serious Russian support in his bid for the Presidency, that did more then just watch the news!!! How bout that?

Flynn is a nut job, he retired a year early for being a lousy leader and a liar. He pleaded guilty and cooperated and then when he found out a pardon was coming he reversed course. Jail was appropriate. He should still be there.

There you have it Joe. It funny you say he Democrat party is all about lying , deflection and diversion and then all you do is DENY allegations about Trump and try to DEFLECT by saying its a Democrat sham.

November Joe...I'll see you then!!!

1/12/2022 7:12:08 PM

Grittyville, WA

"Its the Economy, stupid"

https://www.gop.gov/its-the-economy-stupid/

The whole country is headed for a struggle...? Populism will be more potent than ever? Plus people are sick of the covid nanny state, aren't they?

Democrats are enjoying being in control? But... people dont really enjoy being controlled?

1/12/2022 7:54:10 PM

Upa Creek, Mo

Frank, keep spewing CNN soundbites. I personally know someone shot in your liberal riots. He died on the scene too. There were billions of damages incurred, sections of cities closed for months, hundreds of rapes, and many businesses never reopened from the destruction of year long liberal RIOTS. January 6th was nothing compared to the damages your party has inflicted for years in cities across the country for "social justice"... aka loot and get free shit.

Hell, 90% of liberal protests are about gimme's from businesses, the Biden minions don't even know what they are looting for about half the time.

1/12/2022 8:56:46 PM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Don't confuse Frank with the facts, guys. November will be here before we all know it.

1/12/2022 9:40:40 PM

Grittyville, WA

We humans have an amazing ability to build intellectual constructs of self affirmation.

I think if you're going to be passionate, ideally it should be be something healthy for yourself, and for everyone around you.

If people want to be zealous about covid or black lives matter thats fine but please recognize when your dancing starts to hurt other people's toes.

1/13/2022 1:22:28 AM

South East

I wish the police presence and reaction on January 6 would have been the same as with liberal riots Luke. Then they would have been shot, maced, teargassed and led away cuffed in swat cars or dragged away by unmarked federal agents. That's exactly what would have happened it would have been BLM, Muslims or latino's or those you call liberals.
Different standards for different people right?

And Luke, this is not a contest. Its not about who's riots where more destructive or killed more people. What makes January 6 stand out in the most negative way possible way is that never since 1776 have American citizens stormed their own seat of power, never has their not been a peaceful transfer of power. The last time the capitol was under siege was in 1814 and it was the British that broke in and burned it down, not American citizens.

So needless to say, that to compare these unparalleled riots challenging an Presidential election to run of the mill riots by anarchist and left wing radicals is not only comparing apples to oranges its missing the mark by a mile.

Nevertheless a riots and riot right?, left or right but the reason for them differ. Another reason for the extraordinary importance of the the capitol riots to our country is that it was spurred on by a sitting President unable to stomach his election loss and unwilling to ensure a peaceful transfer of power. For the first time ever in our history an mob of American citizens stormed the capitol because it was made to believe the election was stolen by a bitter and selfish defeated President, who put himself before his country.

So no matter how fast conservatives want to forget, or deflect or Trump wants pivot and turn it into some glorious and patriotic,

this is a stain that will never wash of Trump's legacy or the republican party. Its in the history books. Deal with it!

1/13/2022 9:42:50 AM

Grittyville, WA

1st paragraph of your fantasy novel... and then not prosecuted. Let go the same day, demoralizing law enforcement, and teaching them nothing...

I can't read any more, if I want fantasy I will watch Lord of the Rings.

1/13/2022 3:57:30 PM

Upa Creek, Mo

Frank, that’s a big assumption on “those I call liberals”.

Actually, I’m referring to people like you. White, privileged, suburban type who think they have a calling. An antifa type who tend to be all white and have destroyed sections of cities in riots they’ve caused which overshadow the true injustices being protested by “actual” minorities.

I’ll even throw in you as spoonfed white boy European who thinks he speaks for American minorities. Have at it, I’m sure you “know a guy”.

You must have learned a lot in your wood shoe carving classes in Holland, or am I assuming that?

1/15/2022 10:21:58 AM

Oak Grove, Mn

wowser....this is has gotten to be quite the read.

I shall remain ignorant as I watch my pseudal- liberal 17 year grow enough to teach me.

Is it too far fetched of a hope to wish for neither Biden or Trump in 2024

there has to me more depth in either party

1/15/2022 11:29:20 AM

Oak Grove, Mn

I happened to drive near Floyd square yesterday...some of the building murals looked quite artistic. Banksy might open an eye in that neighborhood. Reading many conservative news site comments about minneapolis...too many do not know truth of the city.The first riot may have started in Minneapolis, but the story is not over yet.

I agree...Jan 6th was not an insurrection...the guns for insurrection never came out.

What happens now...can anyone of us do much to influence it?

1/15/2022 11:44:38 AM

Grittyville, WA

Priviledged is the word. Exactly.
When you have insurance and on everything so you dont care about the actions of others, a 401 k and you comfortably watch your stocks go up because stocks are immune to inflation... Then, your top worry becomes maintaining that carefree status?
America... We used to live in a merit based society? Now we live in a social status based society, one where merit isnt numero uno... Huge difference. And possibly our downfall.

1/15/2022 11:53:27 AM

Oak Grove, Mn

Going way back up in the thread. Ken D, I would think that if I were Alec,I would be more than happy to share that that is what is asked for(all related to Rust) as long as it remains confidential from public scrutiny in the interest of justice. I see now, he has turned the phone over to authorities.

1/15/2022 12:19:30 PM

South East

Its not a big assumption at all luke.
Taking far-left radicals and anarchist that resort to rioting and violence somehow as representing the entirety of liberals and the left of the middle American is nothing more then an easy way for you to take cheap shots at the left and everything you don't agree with. Not very sophisticated though.

its like me taking all neo Nazi's and white supremacy groups and taking them as representing everything conservative and republican. I bet you wouldn't agree with that, or would you?

Lets agree that the extreme's of both left and right don't represent the vast majority of people who are much closer to the political middle.

"which overshadow the true injustices being protested by “actual” minorities." lol, common Luke, like you give a fudge.

But your right I guess, as spoon fed white European I will never possess the clear insight that you have as a cornfed Mid-Westerner.
With that glorious history and past regarding "minorities" who am I to judge America, right? Forgetting, denying and sweeping it under the rug is much easier.

Back to shoe carving......

1/15/2022 8:35:55 PM

Grittyville, WA

Most people would like to move forward. Fear mongering... whether its about racism or covid, prevents this. Most fears that I can think of are irrational. Some are rational. It would be nice if we could sort the rationsl from the irrational. Without acting like its a particular persons fault.
Nazi's and slavery... seriously no one alive today had anything to do with that. People who voted for Trump wanted a secure & healthy country. Despite expected setbacks he was working towards that. Who here wants communism, Nazism, or slavery...? No one.
I think some are playing dodgeball while others want to play basketball... I don't think throwing the history-which-we-had-no-part-of ball at anyone scores any points.

1/16/2022 5:54:46 PM