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Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Right now I am working with the Dramm Corp. To try getting us pumpkin growers a deal on Fish and Kelp in 2.5 Gallons containers. When they came in talked to me in the fall they were interested in what a giant pumpkin grower would like to see in a fish and kelp fertilizer. I said
1. More Soluble Calcium
2. More Potassium
3. Some kind of masking odor
What are your ideas?

11/19/2003 4:40:42 PM

Indiana

I dont care about the odor although cinnamon might go good with pumpkin. The added calcium would be good what kind of price might we be talking??
steve

11/19/2003 5:19:33 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

I wouldn't mind seeing a guaranteed analysis of even those elements not required by law. States vary, but most only require that N,P,K & certain medium & micronutrients be printed & guaranteed on the label. (note GUARANTEED)

Some manufacturers make claims of certain amino acids & other non plant food elements posting quantities & making claims that are rarely substantiated by the findings of science. To make matters worse, the non-regulated items fall onto a portion of the label that will be conspicuously devoid of the words "guranteed analysis". This is not illegal & 99% of the world doesn't know or care about this mildly deceptive form of marketing. So it goes on all the time.

Is there any chance you can ask the company you're working with to voluntarily contact & adopt the standards of the International Organization for Standards? If they do meet the ISO 9001 standards, it will really lend a great deal of credibility to their finished product.

Get it labeled for Turf & Ornamental use as well & I'll take it our board. It couldn't hurt to have 250 brick & mortar wholesale stores & a couple hundred road sales people hawking a product like this. We currently have only 2 vendors of Sea-Kelp related products because we won't deal with non-conforming formulators. And personally, I really like the sounds of this item. I wouldn't just but it. I'd sell the heck out of it.

http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/ISOOnline.frontpage

Steve

11/19/2003 5:23:18 PM

Deer Park, WI

I agree with Steve. I want a product that is no B.S. No crazy insane label claims. All im asking for is honesty, thats what will sell.

11/20/2003 8:43:51 AM

Brillion Wisconsin

Hey Shannon, I have a couple ways we could keep the prices low for us Wisconsin pumpkin growers.

First off Dramm is located in Manitowoc Wi. my home town. Its a 45 minute drive for me. My elderly parents still live their and I visit around once a month. I called Dramm and it would be no problem to stop by the plant and pick up their product and save shipping charges.

Second the cost of the packaging we could keep low by bringing our own containers. Empty milk jugs and empty liquid laundry detergent bottles would also work good.

The CWPG needs to throw a christmas party this year. I then can bring out all the fish emulsion you will need for cheap. Dean o

11/20/2003 9:13:47 AM

Montoursville, PA

...Your organic fish cold pressed in a plain brown wrapper with no merchandising costs such as herein requested and no preservatives is what it has always been with no additives. If you need an additive go for it but handle it without making the basic product all jazzed up and difficult to use.
....Basic fish does not need a flashey label. There are pleanty of sources already established. We need not pay for labeling that would be most costly at it's best.
....I wonder if the American Indian who simply dropped a fish in the corn planting hole felt he was being gypped by the winds from the Northeast?
....Fish is fish alowing for the fact that some are more oily than others. Each and every time human hands touch it the process takes away something. Please don't vote to screw up the one really good product that still exists very good as it is sold today.

11/20/2003 12:35:56 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Doc Doc Doc,
If a company is willing to make you a special batch, with what you would like why would this screw up things. This would be available in a limited quanity, not commercially. Analysis could also be done on it to give nutrient specifics.

11/20/2003 12:54:57 PM

Montoursville, PA

Blowing a lot of good time and energy. The nutrient specifics of just about any additive can be found in any good book. The calcium can be added from numerous other sources. Many soils already have ample calcium. Doing things to naturally free it up for plant use would be a noble cause. Knowing exactly what the plant would like to have in which forms would be an even better undertaking rather than just tossing in some more.

11/20/2003 6:10:29 PM