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I am still choosing ferts for drenching so I looked up some info, mostly looking at cost and quality . I see a lot of people like the products from Growth Products http://www.growthproducts.com/

I decided to look into a nitrogen fertilizer first and their Nitro-30 SRN (30-0-0), contains "slow release" nitrogen derived from low biuret urea, methylene urea, so I went on a search for methylene urea which brought me to Triazone.

I believe the two are very similar you can see info about Triazone by going here http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01049755 and click "look inside"

Just a few points they state the nitrogen stays on the leaf surface longer than conventional urea products,leaf burn
potential of triazone -based products is less than urea.
volatilization losses are less.

I have only checked the price of

growth products
http://www.growthproducts.com/pages/professional_turf.asp?tables=featured&product=20
$75 2.5 gal (amazon free shipping)
30-0-0
4.5% urea nitrogen
25.5 % slow release nitrogen
derived from low biuret urea, methylene urea

and

Plant Food Company
http://www.plantfoodco.com/products/liquid_fertilizers.aspx
$55. for 2.5 gal or $109 5 gal
28-0-0
7.8%    Urea    Nitrogen
20.2%    Slowly    Available Water    Soluble Nitrogen*
Derived    from    Urea    Triazone    Solution

I haven't found free shipping for plant food company but they list several distributors on their web site and I checked the one in Chicago for prices and they sell over the counter.

Plant Food Company also sells a phosphite product which has claims of being better than phosphate, but I haven't checked into their price.

Does anyone have any opinions on these products or similar ones with good pricing. If you have ever received a e-mail from me you know I kind of rattle on,mostly just stating what I know about and waiting for others to chime in, good or bad, but I hope this info may help you find a product you like.

1/1/2014 2:33:52 PM

Eurasia

A pumpkin is not wheat and no lemon tree!
I apply nitrogen only combined with other foliar fertilizers such as magnesium + phosphorus or together with Cal-boro in the form of amino-acids, so the plant has less stress to build up aminos.

1/1/2014 5:21:37 PM

Eurasia

A pumpkin is not wheat and no lemon tree!
I apply nitrogen only combined with other foliar fertilizers such as magnesium + phosphorus or together with Cal-boro in the form of amino-acids, so the plant has less stress to build up aminos.

1/1/2014 5:21:37 PM

Central Illinois

its recommended for any crop, nitrogen doesnt know if its on a lemon , a blade of grass or a pumpkin.

If I buy my nitrogen ,Phosphorus and Potassium I can mix it in any combination I please.

If I am wrong let me know and why.

1/1/2014 5:57:06 PM

Muddy Waters

I learned my lesson with urea's I would not try them again.Best to find more organics if you can.The urea will kill your micros.

1/1/2014 6:24:11 PM

Central Illinois

I. Thought the main problem with
urea was that they were to fast don't these. Products eliminate that,not disagreeing, just trying to understand

1/1/2014 6:34:49 PM

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I prefer organic sources of nitrogen, and use artificial sources only if my plants show a deficiency. Nitrogen is very mobile in the soil, and organic sources are much more stable. In the disastrous flood year of 1993, most of the corn fields in my area that were fertilized with urea, anhydrous ammonia or other artificial sources had terrible crop yields. But corn fields that were planted after alfalfa or soybeans that had legume nitrogen and were fertilized with manure had normal yields. As your organic matter is broken down by bacterial action through the season, nitrogen will be released to the plants. So I try to get most of my nitrogen from compost and manure and if I see a deficiency or if the plants need a boost I apply foliar fertilizer. Usually small amounts of Schultz water soluble tomato fertilizer and some molasses will supply enough nitrogen and other nutrients to provide a good boost without adding excessive salts to the soil.

1/1/2014 7:38:50 PM

Springfield, Missouri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia_volatilization_from_urea

"ammonium is a plant available source of nitrogen while ammonia is not.[4] Additionally, the formation of the hydroxide ion may cause soils around the applied urea particle to have a pH around 9.0 which increases ammonia volatilization. This area is also highly toxic due to elevated ammonia concentration for several hours so it is recommended that urea based fertilizers not be applied or banded with planted seed at a rate that exceeds 10–20 kg/ha"

If you want slow release I would go with organics. If you want quality go with hydroponic grade nitrates.

1/1/2014 8:17:10 PM

Central Illinois

I have added manure, and done a fall prep according to western labs. I guess I just dont understand what people are using, I keep reading to use a fert higher in nitrogen after the seedling stage but then stop 7 to 10 days be for pollinating.

I have read through quite a few diaries and cant remember anyone saying they drench or with what product,so I have wondered if anyone was, but if you read a book like one of Don langevins they will say to drench once a week and foliar spray, plus some of those recommended ferts I know are high salt.

I do have plans to use fish and seaweed as a foliar, and I have read that low nitrogen is rarely a problem, but why do I keep reading about drench programs.

and thank you for the replies

1/1/2014 8:33:53 PM

Partlow,Va

You can spread blood meal on the ground ahead of the plant as it grows if all you want is to boost your Nitrogen.

I have a piggyback question:
What does/is a good Ammonium level during the growing season? At what point(ppm) does Amonium become too much?
As of 1/2/14, mine is 5ppm. Nitrate is 15ppm

1/10/2014 8:28:39 AM

Muddy Waters

A lot of the drench programs are Chemical for disease issues.I dont think Nitrogen is a big drenching program.You can soil drench just about anything.I think soil drench is better.You can wear out leaves & you have less evaporation loss.But if you find your low on nitrogen a daily foilar for a week or two could put you back on track.You should get your nitrogen from your organic matter and then supplement with mild feedings and occasional foliars.just my thoughts.Theres a lot of ways to skin a kin.lol

1/12/2014 7:17:33 AM

Perry Iowa USA

If you're using fish fertilizer when the plant is young be careful of varmints.Critters had a plant orgy inside one of my enclosures last year when I had tried to give the plant a boost with a mild soil drench.They'll dig under the hothouse and have a tossed pumpkin salad in a blink.

1/26/2014 9:29:25 PM