Well my second season has been very rough. It looks like I'm not going to get anything over 2lbs for the weighoffs. None of the crosses took. I'm not sure why. So we are down to seed saving from the maters that were UOW DAM. I also have a bunch saved from the 3.90 Luers clones. These seeds will be F3 for the Sutherland Big Zac x Domingo cross.